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Men. Welcome to the most important podcast that you'll hear in a long time. It's the Men's Leadership Community Podcast, and it starts now.

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Here we are. I can't believe, Obi, that we're already over the halfway point, you know, in this series. It's gone by really quick. Uh, we're in week five, and uh today is May Day, by the way. Happy May Day to all of you guys out there that you know have a pole in your backyard with ribbons and you're dancing around it later. I can just see Gunner in my mind after the conversation earlier this morning, just dancing around his May Pole this morning. So, Gunner, have fun with that. We uh we would appreciate any video that you have of that. So just share it with us later, Gunner. That'd be awesome. Any thoughts on that, Gunner? You and your dance moves this morning? I'm still, yeah, I'm still working it right now. Yeah. Still working it. There you go. As the kids say, Well, it is May 1st, and here we are. We're taking a look at Big Hero Six, of course, another Disney animated film. But there's so much more to it, Obi. You know, I even we'll talk about it. There's even a line in there that says it's not just another heartwarming Disney film. This actually goes into some pretty uh significantly deep issues that that happen in in real life. So looking forward to jump into this. So take us through a little bit of information about it. Did you know? And then we'll get into the trivia.

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Yes. And while I'm doing it, Andy, can you make me co-host so I can uh keep an eye on the mute, on the mute buttons? Um guys Hey, look at how quick I did that today. Man, dude, that is insane. It's getting better and better. Quick, boom, boom, boom, McGee. Guys, I'm a big, I'm a big fan of superheroes. I'm a big fan of, you know, powers, teams, um, X-Men, Justice League, all of these. These are all these are all things that speak to me. So this really, I was not really aware what it was gonna be about when because I really saw very limited, I don't think there was a lot, a lot of promotion um for this one that I remember. Um, but it's a 2014 American animated superhero film loosely based on the superhero team from Marvel Comics, which I was not aware of.

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I was not aware of that either. So this is really, you know, Disney started to put to use all of its purchasings of different corporations.

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So there spent a pretty penny on it. So um it tells the story of Hiro Hamada, a young robotics prodigy in Baymax, a healthcare robot invented by his late older brother Tadashi.

SPEAKER_01 2:41

Hey, and how great is it that we're gonna go through the hero's journey with a guy named Hiro?

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Yeah. Uh so special bonds develops between the the plus size inflatable robot and the boy prodigy, who together team up with a group of friends to form a band of high-tech superheroes to combat a mass supervillain responsible for Tadashi's death.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Yeah, there you go. So pretty cool stuff there, talking about high-tech. We got a lot of guys in the high-tech industry, so this should have hit you right where you live.

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It really did. Um, in the futuristic city of San Francisco, Hiro Hamada, a 14-year-old high school graduate on robotics prodigy, spends his time competing in illegal underground betting for robot fights, uh, hoping to get him out of his dangerous lifestyle. His inventive older brother, Tadashi, takes him to the San Francisco Institute of Technology, where Hiro meets Tadashi's four best friends, greedy gogo Tomago, neurotic Wasabi, bubbly honey lemon, and comic book fan Fred. Just Fred. Just Fred. Um Tadashi also introduces Hiro to his project, an inflatable AI healthcare robot, Baymax, and his mentor Callahan. Um Hiro applies to the university, impressing the school showcase with his project microbots that can link together into any configuration using a neurotransmitter that he puts across his, puts on it over his head. Um Hiro is accepted, but a fire breaks out while Callahan is still being is still in the building. Tadashi rushes back to save him, only for the building to explode with both declared dead. Then Hiro then turns to Baymax and his new friends to uncover the mystery of the fire and his brother's death.

SPEAKER_01 4:34

Good stuff, good stuff. Well, this was Obi a bigger box office Smash than maybe you remembered.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Yep. Yep. Big Hero 6 received positive reviews from critics and earned a worldwide estimated total of $658 million.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

That's a chunk of change for an animated movie, by the way.

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Yep, it is. Calculating in all the expenses, it is estimated that the film made a profit of 187.34 million, making it a clear box office success. Um, worldwide, it is the highest-grossing animated film of 2014 and one of the highest-grossing animated films of all time.

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Yeah.

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Um, by grossing over 500 million worldwide, it became the fourth Disney release of 2014 to do so. The other titles, listen to this, uh, being Guardians of the Galaxy, Malif Maleficent, Maleficent, and Captain America, The Winter Soldier. Hey, listen, Kim makes fun of me because uh for the longest time I kept saying Maleficent. And she she said it's not, it's a maleficent.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

So Disney seems to be doing okay and raking in some cash, it looks like I think so.

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They're they kind of got a knack for it. Um, at the seven at the 87th Academy Awards, the film won best animated feature.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah, so it won an Oscar.

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An Oscar won an Oscar. It also won Favorite Animated Feature at the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards, as well as receiving seven nominations for any awards, winning one and a Golden Glow nomination.

SPEAKER_01 6:04

So it was a lot of critical, positive critical review on it, not just being one of those heartwarming movies like we're about to talk about, but going into these deeper concepts.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

Yeah, and you know, it uh it's not really like uh just another heartwarming, cheesy Disney film for kids that um it's it's really a it doesn't just portray the necessity and the healing power of friendship, um, but beneath the surface it dives into such deep themes as like processing loss and grief, betrayal and revenge, choosing between hatred and compassion, channeling the destructive emotions of an isolated individual into the constructive action of helping others as a part of an encouraging team. And all showcasing the hero's journey from trauma to healing with the help of a supportive community.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

Boy, you know, if you just look at that screen right there, guys, and or take a screenshot of it and keep it. I mean, that speaks deep to every one of our lives in some shape, form, or fashion. Everybody has in some way gone through loss or grief or is still in the middle of processing it. Betrayal and revenge, you know, just kind of crazy to think about all the little things, even in our lives, that may not have uh seemed like they're big to somebody else, but a friend that betrayed you or betrayed your confidence and how much that hurts. The revenge that all of us as broken, sinful human beings want. We want to be avenged and we want to be, you know, get righteousness for ourselves instead of uh allowing God's work to happen in our lives. I know I I struggle with anger and revenge and and those kind of concepts, Obi, of wanting justice done, but I want my justice done, not God's justice done. You know, I want to see things happening in real time, as the kids say today, instead of God's justice poured out on the cross in Jesus Christ, which is already done. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Oh, yeah. And and and really what really what really ties this together all and really makes it so relevant to who we are as a ministry and organization is the destructive emotions of an isolated individual.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Yeah, absolutely. And and I think that goes with the entire lone wolf uh mantra that we share with guys over and over again with the MLC is that we were not created to be lone wolves, but we were created to be in brotherhood with one another. And that that lone wolf you know mentality can lead to destructive emotions and then the actions that then go with it because there's nobody there either to encourage, inspire, or hold you accountable. And you we see clearly in this movie that his teammates are going to hold him accountable uh when hero goes off on his own and wanting the revenge and his anger carried out, reminding him that that's not what his older brother Tadashi created Baymax for. So yeah, you know, and then I mean, I just I think powerfully, uh, you know, Jesus on the cross after he's been betrayed by a kiss of a friend, Judas. You know, the kiss of peace betrays him in the Garden of Gethsemane. He's betrayed by a close friend, he's crucified on the cross. And what does he say as people are are walking by out hurling insults and spitting at him? Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they do. And I forget, I think we forget sometimes how powerful it is that Jesus actually is showing compassion in the midst of betrayal, where a lot of us would want revenge, you know. Yeah, all right. Well, some pretty awesome trivia here. Dave Terry's already started us off with some good stuff. Uh, the connection between San Francisco and the name Callahan, uh, you know, from Dirty Harry. So uh, but where there's a lot of good uh good little trivia in here.

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Yeah, yeah. First Disney's first animated film to feature Marvel Comic characters whose parent company was acquired by Disney in 2009. That was a really big deal. With respect to the design of Baymax, which my mind for some reason uh this shows this dates me, okay. Uh I kept thinking of Betamax. If you if you don't know, that's that was that's what was competing with VHS at the time when they first came out, and eventually BHS won. Yeah, crazy, right? Um, they wanted a robot that we had never seen before and something to be wholly original. And that's a tough thing to do. We got a lot of robots in our pop culture, everything from the Terminator to WALL-E to C3PO on down the line. So um, we wanted to do something original, even if they did not know what the robot should look like. Artist Lisa King came up with the idea that it should be a huggable robot.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Yeah, pretty interesting. A huggable robot.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Uh-huh. Um, the inflatable vinyl, truly huggable design of Baymax is inspired by soft robotics research at Carnegie Mellon University. Hall stated that I met a researcher who was working on soft robots. It was an inflatable vinyl arm, and the practical lap would be in the healthcare industry as a nurse or doctor's assistants, and he had he had me at vinyl.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

That's what there you go. He had me at hello. No, he had me at vinyl.

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Um, Baymax Face Design was inspired by a copper Suzu bell that Hall noticed while at Shinto Shrine. You see it up there?

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah, so it's a bell that the monks ring during worship inside a Shinto uh shrine. So that's pretty interesting. It looks exactly like it. I mean, they didn't go very far afield from uh no.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Um, the film's animation style and setting combines Eastern world culture, predominantly Japanese, with Western world culture, predominantly California. San Francisco, the futuristic mashup of San Francisco and Tokyo, was described by Hall as an alternative version of San Francisco. Most of the technology is advanced, but much of it feels retro. And you know, really good job with that. Yeah. According to Scott Watanabe, the movie is set in an alternate future where after the 1906 earthquake, San Francisco was rebuilt by Japanese immigrants using techniques that allow movement and flexibility in a seismic event. And after the city was finished being rebuilt, it was renamed San Francisco due to it being a city with Japanese and American architecture.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Yeah, so the city itself in the movie has a backstory. It really does.

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Um, the house that Hero's family lives in is based on a Victorian house at the corner of Hyatt Street and Masonic Avenue in the Hyatt Ashbury.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Yeah, and so you see those corner Victorian houses. That's exactly what it uh looks like in real life in San Francisco. And you know, you have uh also the painted ladies that are very famous. It's the line of houses that go down the hill that are all painted different colors. You see it referenced in the movie also. So yeah. Yeah.

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The emotional climax takes place in the middle of a warm old portal, which is represented by the stylist interior of a mandel bulb.

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So when they at the very end, where they go back in through the you know, through the wormhole and everything, and they find uh Abigail in her pod. That's where they're at. They're inside. I did not know this. A mandibulb. There you go, guys.

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Yep. Um, a Baymax movement and posing was modeled after studying the movement of a baby with a full diaper.

SPEAKER_01 13:24

There you go. With a full, and that's what it cracked me up with a full diaper. So not only a baby trying to move, but a baby with a full diaper.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

So they could have just called me, you know, and saved all of the yeah. Oh my goodness. The production team watched videos of fire ants as an inspiration of the movement of the bike robots. Isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_01 13:43

Yeah, love it. Look at them cutting on each other.

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According to Laura Le Bove, the reason GoGo Tomago's super suit is yellow is to match her name tomago, which means egg in Japanese.

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There you go.

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The soundtrack features an original song titled Immortal, Immortal, written and recorded by American rock band Fallout Boy.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

And that was a big hit back then. Yeah. Yeah, and it went far beyond the movie. So I think it's actually been used in a couple of different movies now.

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Well, here we go with our Disney Easter eggs. Here we go. Oswald, the Lucky Rabbit's face is on Hero ceiling. Oswald was Disney's first animated character before Mickey Mouse. There you go, all the way back to the beginning. In Hero's room next to his computer monitor, there's a robot head resembling Eve from Wally. Um, and in Fred's library museum, one of the small statuettes in the background bookcases, Elastigirl from The Incredibles. Um, that was in 2004. The emblem of the make of Wasabi's car driven by the heroes in the car chase midway through the movie is stylized, is a stylized Mickey consisting of three overlapping circles.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

Kind of trying to go with the emblem right in the middle. It's a I couldn't blow it up anymore, but it's just three circles, just like the Mickey. But also, if you look at the car itself, they say you have the mouth and the two ears and all that stuff. So throwing stuff all around.

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When the gang are in Fred's house, the painting on the wall portraying him and his parents in the hallway, Stanley's Fred's father.

SPEAKER_01 15:19

Yeah, which we get the post-credit scene, which is a lot of fun. Here we get it.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Yes, and you know, that's one of the things about even before he passed away, um, any Marvel movie, Stanley always made a cameo, and this was no different. Um, one of the credit listings is for production babies. This is a Disney tradition of listing the names of children born to the movies crew during production, which I think is great. You know, wholesome. The post-credit scene was only added to the film in August 2014. Late in the production, after Hall and his crew went to see Marvel Studios Guardians of the Galaxy, he stated that it horrified us that people were sat waiting for an end credits thing because of the Marvel DNA. We didn't want people to leave the movie disappointed.

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Can you imagine? So you think you're done. Hey, we got uh that huge project that we've been working on for years that we got it all complete, and then you go watch a Marvel movie and you see this post-credit scene that you've never seen before, and you're like, crap, we're using Marvel comic characters. We've got to now go create a post-credit scene. Guys, good enough to go back to work. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Um, at the very end of all the credits, there's a scene between Fred and his superhero dad, a Stanley Cameo. The Stanley credit runs after this special scene.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Yeah, so pretty cool stuff there. Well, we'll jump right back in. Of course, Big Hero Six, the hero's journey. We always remind everybody each and every Friday morning in the at the movie series about Philippians 2, 5 through 11, which is the outline of the true hero, Jesus Christ, coming down from heaven, being born as a baby, growing as a man, dying on the cross, rising from the dead, and ascending back to the Father, and actively at work, drawing us up into his hero's journey. And all of these movies help us to recognize both the overarching hero's journey of Jesus, but also Obi, the hero's journeys that we go through in our own lives while we're in this place. So let's go ahead and get jump right in with Battle Bots. What better way? Battle bots to get started this morning. Two bots enter, one bot leaves.

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Bot fighting is not illegal betting on a bot fighting. Uh, betting on a bot fighting that's illegal. And this is how the the our story begins, kind of showcasing this cute little robot uh this scene where people are competing with robots destroying each other. Uh, and this tiny little kid with this cute little robot that kind of takes over and destroys the other robots. It's unlike any other robot that uh anybody was expecting.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Well, and what's really cool is at the very beginning, you know, you see him in the top left, and it's the yellow, happy, smiley face, and then right under it is the red, uh, you know, destructive face. What you're really seeing is what has Kiero done with his robot other than to build in what he's gonna go through himself, which is choosing between health and happiness or anger and revenge. Yeah. Little foreshadowing there through the little microbot, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

Uh, and again, we you know, we see this in where he flips over and he says, Megabot, destroy. Uh, and uh, you know, you see the destructive power of the the Megabot and how quickly it dispatches it, and really it lands him in jail. Yeah, him and his not only him, but him and his brother.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Yeah, I love that line there while he's sitting in jail. I hope you learned your lesson, Bonehead. I thought that was pretty apropos for a bunch of men on a Friday morning watching an animated film that hopefully some of us will learn our lesson while we're while we're doing this together.

SPEAKER_02 18:59

Yeah, absolutely. And you see, kind of see the where it leads, you know, it's kind of again this foreshadowing where darkness and where revenge and where violence destruction leads to. Um, and we begin really poking, probing into really what who is who is heater, and his brother sees sees him definitely as more than how he sees himself. Um, and so he asks him this question when are you going to do something with that big brain of yours?

SPEAKER_01 19:32

You know, and that's a great question for all of us this morning when it comes to our gift and gifts and talents. First of all, do we recognize that we have them? And if we don't, we need to be in a brotherhood that'll tell us that we do. Secondly, what are we doing with them? Are we doing things immature, uh immaturely and for selfish gain, like hero's doing at the very beginning? Or are we doing something of greater meaning and purpose, you know, with the gifts and the skill sets that God has given us? So, you know, at the very beginning, Hiro is very immature. Oh, yeah. Uh, you know, he's got this massive gift of a brilliant brain, and yet he's using it in a very immature way for very immature things, illegal, you know, monetary gain on betting on bot fights instead of actually helping people, which is going to be what Tadashi throughout the entire movie, whether alive or dead, is going to continue to encourage him, uh, even after he's passed away, to do something for others, something helpful to other people with his gifts.

SPEAKER_02 20:32

Yeah, and what better way than to out of Hebrews 5.11, 14. This is Paul speaking against speaking uh to his own people, uh, frustrated. And this is what he says. We have much to say about this, but it is hard to make it clear to you because you no longer try to understand. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food. Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teachings about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

You know, and that's really gonna be Hero, Hero's here, pardon me, Heroes, Hero's journey is we're gonna see him go from an immature young man uh who's isolated and and does everything selfishly or self-centered to a much more mature young man who is now surrounded by a team and wants to serve others. So we're gonna see this overarching move from immaturity to maturity throughout the film in a lot of ways, Obi, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, even physically, right? We know that he's in the journey of puberty as we go through the film. Bay Max points that out. So he's really maturing in every aspect of life, which is a great question for us to ask one another on a Friday morning is how is God maturing up? Us mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and even physically at whatever stage in life that we're in right now, because we know he's at work doing it.

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And if no, and if you're not surrounded by people by other men that do that that ask you those kinds of questions and uh need to pray about being a part of somewhere where you are surrounded by men who are uh pushing you towards holiness.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Or if you're a Tadashian and you know a hero that needs a community, reach out to that you know, man and draw him in. Amen. Yeah.

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So his brother, his brother tricks him into taking him to his nerd school. Uh kind of you know, gives him the line, look, if I'm not, I'm not gonna keep you for, might as well go go with you, and instead takes him to his to his school. And I love that his brother's like, what are you what are we doing at your nerd school? Because he, you know, he doesn't he doesn't know anything. We get kind of in an introduction of different people with different talents and different aptitudes. Uh, and I love that we, you know, we we meet Honeylemon, you know, that specializes in like chemical, you know, make creating things with uh chemicals and reactions. Uh and then we have what was her name?

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Go-go tomago.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Go go tomato. It's trying to make this bike using uh using kind of like a maglet of system, you know, a magnet. And of course, Fred, the mascot, he really nobody has any idea what what he does there. He just hangs out because he's just that likable guy. Um and then uh Wasabi, the the guy that's working on the plasma and the lasers and um all those things. So we have different people, different ethnic backgrounds, different groups, uh with different aptitudes. And then, of course, we're introduced to Baymax, the soft huggable robot that is going to really be a catalyst in transforming in the I mean uh Hito's Hero's journey.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

You know, and this is it, and pardon me, every hero's journey, excuse me, you have the hero that goes from one world to another, and this is really his entrance into a new world uh that he didn't fully understand or knew about yet. But when he gets there, man, is he excited and drawn in right away? He's like, I gotta go there. This is where I've got to go to school. So, and we see then throughout the movie, everybody's unique personality, gifts, and skills and talents, though, is brought out more and more as they become more of a team. Their individualism grows as they're more of a team. So that's kind of a cool thing to see. Also, be sorry, I got it, something in my throat. I'm coughing real quick.

SPEAKER_02 24:55

No, yeah, yeah. Sorry, uh, and not only that, you kind of see them working together to hone each and every one, each each and every one of their their talents. Yeah. Right and and learning. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

And Fred, you know, the most like well, he doesn't have any gifts or talents. Actually, he's he's the you know, he's Batman. You know, what what you know, the Flash asked Batman, so what's your superpower? I'm rich. You know, Fred Fred's superpowers, he's rich, and he has a place where he can bring them all together to really work on their independent, you know, gifts and talents to bring them together as a team. So yeah. Robert's 20. Probably heard this one a couple of times, Obi.

SPEAKER_02 25:36

As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

So and you see that really well played out here in Big Hero Six. Huge part of the movie. Uh, so here you go. He's like, I've got to go here. How do I get in?

SPEAKER_02 25:51

It's time to impress, it's time to actually do work. And I really love what Callahan said. You know, if you like take things easy, my program isn't for you.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

Because this is somebody that sees the potential in somebody and is not willing to let them cruise on by. Um, he wants to push them, hone them, encourage them to be the best version that they can be to use the talents to the best of their ability. Um, and he recognizes that. Um, so Hero begins really putting his mind to work to try to come up with something that's gonna blow him away. And and boy, does he. Um, he talks, he you see these little individual tiny little robots that look like ants that remind us of ants, and he tells them it doesn't look like much, but when it links up with the rest of its pals, things get a little more interesting. And now you kind of get I I really like it, you know, it's by itself, uh, doesn't do much, but then they all come together, and then it creates uh microbots.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

This yeah, beautiful you know, and I get this, I got this first Corinthians 12, and we're gonna hit on that in just a few minutes. But I get this first Corinthians 12 vibe about us, you know, we may not look like much on our own, but boy, when you bring 30 or so, 30 or so guys together in Christ, I mean, there's all it gets a lot more interesting all of a sudden. We start sharing our stories with one another, we grow in hearing from one another, uh, and we become a lot more than we ever thought we might have been on our own, which is really huge. So, 1 Peter 410, though, does a really great job of talking about uh showcasing God's gifts, which Kiro's still a little immature, doesn't fully understand that, you know, kind of he's been given these gifts and what their purpose is. He's still a little bit focused on his own ingenuity and serving his own ends.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others as faithful stewards of God's grace in its various forms.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Yeah, and that's where it all gets a little more interesting is when we do that with one another. Yeah, here's where we ob we dive into some of the deeper issues uh mentally and emotionally in this film that I thought were very well handled with loss and grief.

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Loss and grief. So during that showcase, we kind of begin to see this maturation uh process that's kind of beginning to birth within Hero because he's presented two options. Um the the his his invention really impresses uh this um what was that guy's name? The he's the the other he's the owner of this other company, right? Yeah. And he tells them, he offers them the world sound, dude. You're gonna make a lot of money, let's you're gonna make me a lot of money. Um, let's let's roll. And Callahan tells him, or or you can you can hone your skill, you can keep working at it and be something greater than just money. And Hero takes the the high road in this case and wants to do the right thing and wants to go to school and wants to continue his education. Uh, but tragedy strikes and the fire breaks out. And Tadashi being the character that we've shown to be, we've already established that he's a mentor, that he um loves his brother very much, and he's selfless. He runs into the building to try to save Callahan because he's still behind, and the building blows up, and thus begins really the transformation of our hero.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

Yeah, and I love that line, you know, where Tadashi grabs or hero grabs Tadashi's arm and says, Tadashi, no. And Tadashi says, Someone has to help. You know, that I there was a real John 15 vibe in there. No greater love has a man than this, than to give his life or lay down his life for his friends. And Tadashi's got that inside of him. You know, it's not, it's like it's not something that he is doing, it's just who he is.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

Yeah. Um, so um this leads to Heter being really in a in a dark place, sad, missing his brother, really confused, has a lot of questions. Uh, and you see throughout this that, you know, his team, uh his they've become kind of like his big brothers are kind of checking on him, checking in on him, and you know, he just kind of keeps ignoring things, kind of suppressing things, putting them to the side, isolating himself. I got a lot of lone wolf vibes from this. Definitely lone wolf vibes trying to carry that weight alone.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Um, anyway, you know, and in every hero's journey and the outline of the hero's journey, the hero comes to a moment where they have to make a decision. And that's what I love about the still on the bottom right, uh, is while he's isolated and on his own, uh, the hero is is presented with the two options. He can either go back to school, right? Or he can go back into the immature realm of bot fighting. And he picks up the he picks up his his letter from the school and he actually throws it in the trash and then he picks up his battle bot. Uh, so he chooses to regress because he's isolated and on his own, and he makes a bad decision, which I think is really poignant, especially for an animated film, that when we're isolated and on our own and we're presented with options, we oftentimes make bad decisions when we're doing them by ourselves. So, and that's what he does at first is he makes a bad decision to go backwards. Um, but Jesus promises, you know, the power of a hug, the power of compassion, the power of brotherhood for those who mourn. And Jesus himself in Matthew 5, verse 4, makes this promise to all of us who have had loss and grief in our lives.

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Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

You know, and that's really at the heart of the entire movie. You know, you look at it and it's just one uh verse from Jesus and his Sermon on the Mount, but it's really at the heart of the movie is that Hero is going to be comforted not only by Baymax, not only by his newfound friends, the four that make up uh the team, and then you know, Big Hero Six, you know, as superheroes, uh, but he's going to be comforted in the knowledge that you know Tadashi and who he was lives on, you know, through his coding in Baymax. So he's gonna have a lot of different comforting throughout in his loss and his grief. And I wonder sometimes in our own lives if we recognize the way that God's providing comfort in our loss and grief all around us.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Yeah, and I really love that these guys never shy away from the reality of what it means to to grieve um loss. They don't shy away from that. And I think it's really healthy. I know my kids, I know when we were watching this, you know, era kind of started getting emotional, and you know, we're we're like, it's this, this is it's real, this is real life, this is a reality, and there's a healthy way to to go through this, and there's an unhealthy way to go through this. So it really opens up that discussion, uh at least for me with my children, uh, on what that looks like uh in a godly manner. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Good good parts. I love the title of this scene right here, still active, and I wanted to throw that out there real real quick before you go into it, because you would you you know hero looks down at his little microbot and asks the oh, still active, and Baymax pops up and oh, still active, but really it's a rhetorical question that Hero doesn't even know that he's asking himself in this moment. Am I still active? You know, and I think uh when you're talking about loss and grief, something that we need to be open, honest, and vulnerable about vulnerable about with other men is um it can paralyze us at times, Obi, the the pain uh and the suffering that we go through uh that we don't even realize that we're no longer even active. You know, we're just kind of paralyzed in in our grief. And to come to that question, am I still active is a really big one for us to contemplate today and say, yes, God still has more for you to do. You know, I've shared several times, Obi, on the call, just you know, Jen and I going through losing our daughter Kate and then also almost losing our son Sam. And one of the things that had come to us in our journey of loss and grief was the recognition of nothing will ever be the same, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't still want to give you a good life moving forward. So those two things that might seem mutually exclusive, actually, through God's word and through his son Jesus Christ, he can bring those two things together that yes, through your loss and grief, nothing's going to be the same anymore. And yet at the same time, God can still have good plans for for you moving forward, especially when you have the hope of the resurrection and Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Oh, amen. You know, my old pastor, my old, old pastor got brain cancer. Um, I'm like the the worst kind, you know, and they had to take out a chunk of his brain out. And through this whole thing, you know, he he was he was praising God throughout the whole thing. And he got interviewed by the news, and they're like, hey, how can you say they're like, how can you be this positive in this in this scenario that there's a chance that you might die, you know? And he because he's he was well aware of that hope that he had in Christ, right? And that's what sustains us. Really, that's the difference. And I I would not want to go through a situation like this without the hope that we have in Christ Jesus. And I think that even through the grief, even through the loss, uh, one of the things that we can't count on is the assurance that we have in Christ Jesus and the resurrection. Um and that, even in times of tears, will uh produce joy in our hearts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Absolutely. And you know, Jesus in a in a moment that may sound cold uh in the gospels, but it's not because he's he's uh talking about the resurrection. There's you know, he's calling people to follow him. And do you remember the story? He's calling all these different people to follow him. And the one guy goes, Well, let me go bury my you know, my father who died. And Jesus says, Let the dead take care of the dead, you're still alive, come follow me. And what he's saying is, is don't even let loss and grief be an excuse to not be with Christ, not to follow him. And I thought that was pretty poignant, uh, you know, in that, that he's not being heartless and cold. He's saying, if you follow me, I'll lead you to the resurrection of the dead.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

One thing I really appreciated about this scene with the microbot, um, is that up until this point during his uh grief and his, you know, all of this that is that's happening with him, um, he finally he he finds direction. Right? Oh yeah. That was really beautiful. It it reminded me of a compass trying to point in the in the right direction. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

He's following Baymax, who's carrying the, you know, carrying the tiny robot with him. But I, you know, the the in the top left still, Obi, when Baymax comes, you know, back to life, he hears to, you know, hero say ow, you know, and hi, I'm Baymax, your personal healthcare companion, you know, very much like the Holy Spirit, right? Even kind of looks like it, kind of ghost looking. You know, I'm your personal healthcare companion. What seems to be the trouble? You know, that that to me is the role of the Holy Spirit. Like, what's going on with you today? I'm inside of you, I'm alive in you. What seems to be your trouble? Uh, but I wanted to ask this the Holy Spirit works inside each and every one of us and wants to ask us difficult questions that we don't always want to answer, just like Hero, on a scale of one to 10. How would you rate your pain today, man? And most guys are gonna say, Oh, a zero, just like Hero. Oh, it's a zero, go away, leave me alone. I don't need any help, I don't want any help. When actually Hero's pain and his loss and his grief was an 11. And he needed help, he needed compassion, he needed, you know, that working of the Holy Spirit. And we need to be honest not only in asking that question of one another, but we need to be honest when we're asked. Okay. We need to be honest when we're asked, like, okay, I'm struggling today, and I need my brothers to help me in prayer, in presence, uh, being with me, you know, whatever it may be. So, what a big question that we need to keep on our hearts with one another on a scale of one to ten. How would you rate your pain, not just physical, but mentally, emotionally, and spiritually?

SPEAKER_02 38:52

Yeah, and being that Baymax, you know, to our to our brothers, right? Making sure we're calling each other, encouraging each other, saying, Hey man, how are you doing? Right? Because I think we kind of get programmed to say, I'm fine. Right? Hey, how's it going? Oh, that's great. Everything's good. I'm well. When in reality, sometimes we're festering inside. Um, we get kind of a glimpse of our uh antagonist in this scene where he notices that his microbots are being mass-produced, and he finds these little tiny robots, buckets and buckets, and the pr and even they're still being produced autonomously. Um, and he notices there's this black man with his warrior mask controlling Ruben. Um and so kind of represents uh the I love that it represents this darkness, you know, that that's getting bigger. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

Oh yeah, and and you know, for Cal, you know, we're gonna find out it's Callahan, obviously, but the fact that he's wearing a mask to cover up his own grief and his own desire for vengeance is pretty powerful in the movie because you're gonna see one character, hero, is actually gonna deal with his loss, his grief, and his desire for vengeance with others, and they're gonna bring him through it in a positive way. Uh, and yet Callahan is left isolated on his own, and he is not going to overcome uh his loss, his grief, and his desire for vengeance, even though he's actually gonna get what he wants back.

SPEAKER_03 40:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

He's already destroyed his life in such a way that he can't even be with his daughter when she's brought back from the wormhole. So yeah, so a question still active, Isaiah 40, always a very powerful one. You know, the gift of renewed purpose. Please, guys, remember on a scale of one to ten, you know, what's your pain level? What are you going through right now? Please remember that God is still active in your life, no matter what you're going through and how beat down you may feel, that He is going to renew your strength and your purpose.

SPEAKER_02 41:01

Amen. He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall. But those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength, they will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, and they will walk and not be faint.

SPEAKER_01 41:21

Yeah, and I love that. So they'll renew their strength, they will soar on wings like eagles, and this is Hero. You know, his strength is going to be renewed, and he's gonna start flying literally, you know, on the wings of Baymax. So pretty cool to see a little bit of the forward motion in the movie going here. Well, this is another big one for us. What kind of treatment are we getting in our own lives? You know, are we treating one another? Are we caring for one another? Uh, so this is a pretty big one that I like from Baymax when he he won't give up on treating hero's true pain, which hero just still doesn't want to have treated.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

Yeah. And I love that the first thing that he does is call his friends.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

You know, he recognizes, and I love that he says other treatments include compassion and physical reassurance and gives them that big soft hug, which you guys know that I'm I'm really big into that, right? That's one of the things that I love about the monthly open mics that we have, and about the camp is when you actually, I mean, praise God for the Zoom that we have that allows us to communicate with each other each Friday morning across uh the US and across the world, because Joseph, he's on right now from Uganda. So praise God for that. But nothing really that no matter how good the technology is, it won't replace that embrace, that hug, uh, the physical feeling the physical arms of Christ around you during those moments when you need that.

SPEAKER_01 42:56

You know, and I saw that the very top picture, I saw us on Friday mornings on Zoom and the middle picture, just like you're saying, I see the happy hour and the retreat.

SPEAKER_02 43:05

Yeah, those those are important, right? Those and man, I if you haven't had a chance to go and to meet up with with one of us at the with us during those happy hours or during the retreat, man, I encourage you to do that. Man, if you're missing that in your life, you're missing out on a lot and you're doing life alone. I encourage you, even if it's not not here with us, and find a group of men where you can be open, honest, and vulnerable with.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Yeah. That bottom still, I like that, you know, in this scene, it's it was an accident unless it wasn't. And then Hiro comes to the recognition uh, the guy in the mask, he's responsible for Tadashi. And what I find powerful about that is it's not only revelation in the movie that he recognizes that it wasn't an accident, but from a sinful point of view, he now finds a target for his anger. He now finds a target for his vengeance. You know, he's responsible for this. And you get this finger pointing, which it's true that Callahan is responsible for Tadashi's death. But uh, you know, you see it now. This is going to well up inside of Hiro. That now, instead of receiving the treatments above, he's found an outlet, an unhealthy one, a destructive one for his anger and his vengeance. He's responsible. So instead of receiving that love and care from his friends and from Baymax's hug, I'm gonna go take it out on this guy. And I wonder if all of us have a little bit, maybe a little bit of that in us as men, too. Sometimes I think I would much rather go, you know, throat punch somebody than have you hug me, Obi, and that's wrong.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

Yeah. I hey listen, um, I love the hugs and they're disarming, and sometimes we need them. And I I'm convinced that the first thing that's gonna happen when we are in we enter the eternal the eternity, our eternity is being embraced by Jesus Christ Himself.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

So there's a fantastic meme out there. It says, I just finished my devotion. I love Jesus, but it's been 10 minutes. I gotta find somebody to throat punch. That is that's kind of that's kind of mean every now and then. I'm just gonna tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_02 45:18

Yeah, and that's why you need obies in your life.

SPEAKER_01 45:20

Yeah, man. I need obies hugs, yes. So this is at a you own a lot like Bay Max, but I am, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:27

You know, somebody said at my church that I'm like a golden retriever. That's what they tell me. Uh, so I'm okay with that. Praise God, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

Amen. So, uh, in regards to this, you know, the treatment that Baymax was talking to, I thought we thought this was a really appropriate scripture out of 2 Corinthians 1, 3 to 4, which says, Praise be to God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our troubles, so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as we share abundantly in the sufferings of Christ, so also our comfort abounds through Christ. If we are distressed, it is for your comfort and salvation. If we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same suffering we suffer, and our hope for you is firm, because we know that just as you share in our suffering, so also you share in our comfort.

SPEAKER_01 46:25

And I that is just a a massive biblical uh Christian description of brotherhood right there in Jesus Christ. Yeah, we suffer together, we comfort together, uh, we walk through life with one another, we do life together, and that's what that really is all about. I love this scene. It says upgrades question mark, uh, which you should have seen in the film. You should have been questioning yourselves. Is Hiro really giving Baymax upgrades? Or is Hiro trying to change Baymax in who he really is and what he's supposed to do his real purpose? So Hiro calls him upgrades, but we should be questioning is this really what Tadashi wanted for for Baymax?

SPEAKER_02 47:10

Yeah, he's imposing what he's feeling, um, what he wants to do in Baymax, trying to change who Baymax is based on how he feels and I love the train kind of like it's got this uh neo, uh, which I'm a big fan of. And so he asks him, Hey, I fail to see how Koreak's me a better health companion.

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Yeah. And he's gonna ask that now several times of hero in the upgrades is I fail to see how what you're doing makes me a better health companion. And Baymax never forgets what his true purpose is. Now, Baymax understands his true identity, and when anybody wants to change it, he is there and he asks, I fail to see how that's gonna make me better. And this is a great question for followers of Jesus Christ and brothers of Christ. If somebody is trying to lead us off course from our true identity in Jesus, the question ought to be is I fail to see how this is making me a better follower of Christ, right? And we can actually challenge that with one another. So another thing that uh Baymax does through the rest of the movie now, another question is he says, Will apprehending the man in the mask improve your emotional state? And that question's actually gonna get deeper and darker each time Baymax asks Hero about it through the rest of the movie. Is this really going to improve your emotional or your mental state? And it begins with Hiro saying, absolutely, and by the end, we're gonna see Hero recognizes no killing Callahan is not going to improve his emotional state. So, yeah, really good stuff. So we see that in there. I think we lost Obi for a little bit, guys. So on that intro web, so I'll keep going. Uh, we've got here then with upgrades, uh, the question of vengeance. Hero now is out for revenge, he's out for vengeance, and he's giving these upgrades question mark to Baymax in order to carry it out. Romans 12, 17 through 19 reminds us of a truth that God has given us. Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Boy, is that hard. Just to stop right there, don't repay anyone evil for evil, but be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Holy smokes, if it's possible. Well, it's impossible without Christ and the Holy Spirit in our hearts. I can tell you that. So the only way it's possible is if Christ is alive in us through the Holy Spirit. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written, it is mine to avenge. I will repay, says the Lord. And what a great reminder here. This is actually what Hero is battling with in his anger, his loss, and his grief is now wanting some retribution that he can carry out on his own, instead of actually wanting to bring Callahan to justice. Those are two different things, and one that we really struggle with at times, especially as men, with all the crazy stuff that's going on uh in our world today. I think at times we still go after vengeance and retribution, Obi, instead of trying to live at peace and not repay evil for evil. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Ah, which brings us to this chase scene. And really, it really starts with um his friends confronting him. Um, you know, he's out in the in the investigating, kind of keeping an eye on Callahan. Uh, and and his friends, this car pulls up, and it's his friends, it's everybody, and you know, they're checking up on him. And and you know, if you guys remember, Baymax called them, all of them, and did they heed the call? They saw that he was a need, and they showed up for him. And not only that, but they really are kind of talking, you know, trying to talk him off the ledge, if yeah, I guess if you want to say that.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Yeah, uh, I love that. Who who would like to share their feelings first? Hero Hero doesn't want to share his feelings at all, but there's Fred. Okay, I'll go first. You gotta have a Fred in every group. You gotta have a guy that's like, okay, I'll share mine.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

Yeah, Andy, who did you uh who did you relate to most to hear in this? Uh I'm very curious as to who you related to out of all those characters.

SPEAKER_01 51:37

Oh my goodness. You know, that's a really good question. I think in some ways, Callahan, unfortunately, uh, you know that I have a desire in my heart to be a good person and use my gifts wisely, but when I'm hurt or I feel that somebody's wronged me, I can go off course pretty quickly. Uh so Callahan was a pretty good eye-opener for me. Uh that I can just justify myself in my actions. Um, you know, I want to be a Fred, but I'm not. And that's not just because he's a billionaire. But Fred, Fred just wants to wants to be a part of a team. So I wish I was like Fred. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

That's a good question, right? So you guys, what about you, Obi? I I really love I I love Fred. I love the his his honesty. I love his um, I just love how he how down to earth he is. I relate it a lot to just really him being who him who who he is.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

Yeah. I just I see these dark, imposing pictures of you know Callahan on top of riding the microbots, and I'm like, oh that, yeah, that's actually what's deep down inside my heart that I don't want you guys to see.

SPEAKER_02 52:54

Well, you guys be thinking about that because we I wanna I really would love to hear who you relate to um in this after in the after party. Um, so we see here we see Callahan finally going after them, trying to erase them because now they know that he what he's up to. He has a plan, and these guys are gonna thwart his plan. And so again, he chases them over. And we how can we always we always find those baptism baptismal scenes, right, Andy?

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Uh yeah, they're really huge. So, you know, number one, there's always got to be a car chase scene if the movie's set in San San Francisco. So you gotta have a car chase, like Bullet, you know, and some of these other movies, uh, you know, Dirty Harry. So you gotta have a great car chase because it's San Francisco, but it's San Francisco. But yeah, that baptismal scene, and you know what's so beautiful about that uh scene, Obi, is um Baymax has all the upgrades that Hero has put on him when they go down into the water, but he recognizes that he can't save them with all the armor on. So what does he do when they're at the bottom? He takes off all that armor, he sheds all of that, and then he you know inflates himself and actually becomes Baymax, who wants to help and save, and brings them up out of the water, and they're all floating on him again. So you see this baptismal scene where he goes down in the water with the upgrades, he gets rid of them, he sheds them, and he comes back up above the water, who he's supposed to truly be. And what a great transformational scene for us.

SPEAKER_02 54:32

Yeah, and not only for you know, not only for us, but the characters, you know, this is a pivotal moment because now when they come out of the water, something has happened that's going to transform who they are and what they're going to do with their with their talents. Beautiful scenes.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

We see some growth and maturity here, a little bit, not all the way, but we see some. Uh, but we see it mostly in Baymax and recognizing once again his interior identity, his true self, shedding off the false upgrades and then coming up out of the water.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

As a prisoner for the Lord, then I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. Be completely humble and gentle, be patient, bearing with one another in love. Make every effort to keep the unity of the spirit through the bond of peace. There is one body and one spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But to each one of us, grace has been given as Christ apportioned it.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

And here Baymax knows who he is, and he's utilizing those gifts and talents that Tadashi has poured into him. And now we get this great scene at Fred's house where the team actually comes together and starts to be formed into a team.

SPEAKER_02 55:52

Yeah. Here, we want to help, but we're just us. No, you can be way more. Our origin story begins. We're gonna be superheroes. This is what he's been waiting for his whole life. This, what he's been hoping. Uh, and they realize that you know, there's a lot more to Fred than meets the eye. You know, a lot of about assumptions about who they thought he was, and they're kind of matter of fact, when they go knocking on the door, they were like, Hey dude, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 56:25

Welcome to Mikasa, Fred for Front Door. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:31

And so now we have the call of the heroes. You know, now we're gonna we're gonna start transforming our guys, and you have this beautiful montage of them slowly becoming um a team, slowly learning uh how to work together. And you see also that you also see that hero has kind of a different idea and a different approach that you know maybe doesn't quite align with kind of what his friends are, and is really being guided more by revenge than he is of doing good.

SPEAKER_01 57:09

Yeah, and you know what I really love in that still on the left in the middle is when Baymax tells Hero, uh, you know, Hero says, Oh, you scanned, you scanned the evil guy in the mask, and Baymax says, I'm programmed to assess everyone's health care needs. And that was very poignant and reminded me of Jesus. All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, right? Which is why Jesus was sent. Jesus was sent for all, he was sent for sinners. Uh, he was sent not only for you and for me, but for all, even and especially those who we blame and those who we want to get, you know, some kind of justification against. Christ came even for them. And that's what this reminded me of the Baymact. I'm programmed to assess everyone's healthcare needs, to take care of everyone, even the ones that you don't want to take care of. And that was a huge reminder to me, Obi, that Jesus is here to save everyone, even the people that I don't think deserve it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So really huge. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

Yeah. Um, so now he's been upgraded with armor and now he can fly, and you see him flying. Uh, really, he's got to kind of spread his wings and flying over the city. And, you know, the treatment's working. You know, we see that we see that if for a moment he's free and he's soaring like an eagle. Uh, and it is good.

SPEAKER_01 58:34

But yeah, and the treatment is that he's with friends and he's growing into his more mature identity, seeing a reflection of himself in the windows as he's flying by, and he's finding joy and happiness in the flight, and not in the revenge, not in the loss and the grief, and not in the anger, but in the pure joy of friendship and companionship. And that's the treatment that's working. Uh, Baymax, of course, asked once again, and I fail to see how flying is going to help me be a better healthcare companion, but we're gonna see how that works in the end. Uh, actually. Uh, but here it is, the treatment is working. Fred's house bringing the team together is very healing to Hiro, and it's very healing to each and every one of us when we're a part of the team.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

Yep. Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by one spirit so as to form one body, whether Jews or Gentiles, slavery-free, and we were all given the one spirit to drink, even so the body is not made up of one part, but of many.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

Yeah, so, and that's who we are in Christ and the Brotherhood of the MLC. We're getting close now to the end. Couple of more scenes to go, but we're getting close. Silent sparrow. Now we're starting to find out what actually is going on here.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

So now we kind of see that uh Hedro is driven by revenge, and he really begins to let his emotions take over and blind him uh from being who he was supposed to be, right? And he reprograms, removes the the part of Baymax that makes him who he is, and tries to make him really kill uh Callahan. Um, and this is after they find out that his daughter, the reason why he's who he why he's become what he's become was because his daughter was kind of using an experiment that knew that the company knew that um was not working, and they still let her go anyway, and it blew up and she got kind of stuck somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Yeah. Now I love this, you know, this line here. My health Baymax says my health care protocol has been violated. His true identity has been violated as Hero wants to transform him into a robot that would kill Callahan. Um, and then he says to the team, Baymax says to the team, I regret any distress I may have caused you. Uh, which is really huge that Baymax has restored them to his healthcare companion. Um, and he says to Hero, Hero, this is not what, and the rest of it would have been what Tadashi would have wanted. Yeah. So Hero is so blinded, Obi, like you said, by his rage, his anger, and his desire for revenge to kill Callahan, he's even now going against the memory of his dead brother. Yeah. No longer honoring his dead brother, but now that has blinded him from being able to honor Tadashi.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:42

And this is what I loved about this because his friends love him too much to allow him to continue being that way. And they call him on it. And not only that, they take action.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:52

Yep. They stop him.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:54

They stop him.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:55

Really beautiful.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

So yeah. In your anger, do not sin, do not let the sun go down while you're still angry, and do not give the devil a foothold.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

You know, and I think um we forget that sometimes our anger breeds space for the devil to get a foothold in our heart and our mind. And that desire for revenge or vengeance or justice to be served for me against someone else, just breeds space for the devil to get a foothold and all of a sudden uh not only be blinded, but start to believe things that we would tell ourselves that go against who we are in Christ. Follow that pattern. So yeah. Uh they're gonna fight the good fight.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:43

Here we go. Um, we have this culmination of everything that's been happening, the crescendo, where now we have a showdown. We know we know what's going to happen, but not before um Baymax reminds Hiro of who his brother believes him to be, who his brother was and who Baymax is. You know, and if you recall early in the movie, he was saying Tadashi's here, and he didn't understand, Hiro didn't understand what he was saying, had not taken the time to understand what Baymax was saying. And so he finally does, and he sees the effort that his brother went through to create Baymax.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:27

And I love this line in the middle where he's watching Tadashi, and Tadashi tells Hiro, you don't understand. He's actually saying this to Baymax, but now he's saying it to Hiro. Hero's finally hearing it for the first time. You don't understand this yet, but people need you, and that's for every guy on this call. You may not understand it at this moment, but people need you, and they need you to be more than somebody who is self-centered or selfish or out for yourself. Somebody today needs you in their life. That's pretty huge for each and every one of us.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

Yeah. I I love in the middle of this tension that you know, Fred is kind of telling us, breaking the fourth wall, and telling us this is a revenge story. Um, because he recognizes, and it's funny, right? The guy that you would least expect, he's the one that's got the biggest bomb to drop. So he's like, hey, dude, this is revenge. Right. This is this is a story. Yeah, the whole story is a revenge story.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

Callahan. But yeah, you're gonna see how it goes in different directions.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:30

And it's funny because he's telling him exactly what what you know. We have both of these characters that are on the opposite end of the spectrum that both feel that are both driven by the same thing, and only one, except they both react different in the end towards that and what they do with that. And this is where he confronts I I cannot remember that the the uh the guy's name Cree, yeah. He tells him Craig, he tells him, You took everything from me, and I'm going to take everything from you to try to hurt him. And you know, uh, he tries to destroy, he puts that portal and creates kind of like this wormhole that begins to suck his entire company.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

Yeah. And now it's Hero that asks Callahan, is this what Abigail would have wanted? Isn't that funny? So he has learned now, he is maturing. Vaymax and his friends have brought him to a brought him to a place of recognizing that uh the very same anger, emotions, and desire for revenge that had so blinded Hero is now he can see it blinding Callahan. So he says the very same thing that was said to him is this what Tadashi would have wanted? He's now learned that and is sharing that with Callahan. Is this what your daughter would have wanted you to become?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Yeah. Meanwhile, um, his team has learned to work together. They are confident in who they are and their abilities, and so is Hero because he's he's Flying around knowing well that they are taking care of business underneath the smoke. Um, so when he comes face to face to him, he tells him you're out of microbots because he knew exactly what they were doing. They had a plan in action.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

Absolutely. And now he's fighting the good fight, he's fighting uh a righteous cause, which he's actually trying to prevent people from getting hurt, and he's actually trying to turn Callahan around.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:26

But you are a man of God. Flee from all this and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance, and gentleness. Fight the good fight of the faith, take hold of the eternal life to which you were called when you made your good confession in the presence of many witnesses.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:42

And we start to see this maturity now in Hero, which is not to fight for revenge or vengeance or anger, but now to fight the good fight, which is to save people, which is to help people. And then we come to our closing scene.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:58

Yeah. Where they detect Baymax detects that there's life on the other side of that portal. And now we begin to see the the transformation that has taken place. Now that now that Hero is actually becoming the hero, um, he goes into that portal knowing well that it could blow up, like he has seen earlier in the video of when he Abigail got lost in there, um, and he goes in to help. And you see him and Baymax navigate through the quantum space and fetch Abigail, but something happens, and now he's gonna have to sacrifice himself to save Hero and Bay Max and Abigail.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:48

And I just, you know, he says, Hero, I'll always be with you, you know, when he's about to shoot his fist uh and get him through that. Boy, it just reminded me of Matthew 28, and surely I'll be with you always to the very end of the age. I mean, I just I heard, you know, very Christ-like sacrificial reference in there, uh, you know, from Baymax's, I'll always be with you. So that was pretty nuts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:15

Yeah. And so he sends him off, uh, the gate explodes, we lose Baymax, um, or so we think, and then we kind of get this this view of what happens afterwards, where Kito's now going to school, um, he's back with his friends, he's kind of taking doing what he was supposed to be doing all along. And in that, he finds that he has that arm and puts it in his room and finds that uh Bay Max actually put the card in his the memory card in his in that hand so that he could they could be together. And he recognizes him. And man, what a beautiful image right behind him.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

Um that big hug when he comes back, you know, Hero brings him back and and to life. So very resurrection-oriented scene there. Uh, obviously, a resurrection scene for Hero and Baymax.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

And then yep, and even the even even the glow, you know, that has that surrounded, you know, and you have the kind of like this tombstone. Um, so yeah, really very, very well said, Andy.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Yeah, and then of course we had to have our post-credit scene with uh Fred and his dad, Stan Lee.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:30

And I love that he's still he's still a daddy's boy, you know. He hugged his dad and just loves on him, and um just an homage to all the MCU movies.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

There you go. So, and then we have you know, our big leadership bomb of the week came from the very end here.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:48

Yep, we didn't set out to be superheroes, but sometimes life doesn't go the way you planned. The good thing is, my brother, the good thing is, my brother wanted to help a lot of people, and that's what we're gonna do. And boom, look the very last line of the movie. There you go. Do not withhold good from those whom it's due. When it is in your power to act, do not say to your neighbor, come back tomorrow and I'll give it to you. When you're ready, have it with you. Do not plot harm against your neighbor who lives trustfully near you. Do not accuse anyone for no reason when they have done you no harm. Do not envy the violent or choose any other way.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:26

Yeah, what a great way to wrap up. So, Obi, if you don't mind, share a prayer with us. And for the guys that want to hang on afterwards, we'll continue the call.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:34

God, we thank you so much for your word that transforms us. Um, what a better passage to end with than a reminder that we're not just supposed to be people who say we're gonna pray for you, but who actually are your hands and feet, who are called into action and who move and who act and who give with with everything that you've given us generously. I ask you that you help us be those kinds of men, men that are men of action, men that don't just hear your word, men that don't just read your word, but men that are transformed by the power of the gospel and now put their hands to work using all their aptitudes that you've given us. Thank you again for everyone that's here. We ask you that you be with us for the remainder of the week, and it's in your name we pray.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:23

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